The original plan was for Kai Cheng Thom and I to talk while she was in town to deliver the keynote at the Growing Room literary festival, but plans change, don’t they? So we talked on Skype instead, about creative ways to sustain communities in midst of crisis, the importance of choosing love, and the hard choices that witches make. This was a really healing episode for me to record, and I hope it brings some of that same energy to you. Also, here are some links:

• You should be following Kai Cheng Thom on Twitter, for a start. You can find out about all of her books here, including the wonderful I Hope We Choose Love, and you’ll probably also want to read her beautiful new piece about how queer and marginalized communities can take care of one another during COVID-19
• We mention the vital work of Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha, especially her book Care Work.
• Read about why teachers should do a bad job of putting their courses online.
• Learn more about the history of scrapbooking as counter-publishing.
• The podcast episode I mentioned featuring Jen Sookfong Lee is the April episode of the SpokenWeb Podcast.
• Kai Cheng and I both heartily recommend Larissa Lai’s The Tiger Flu.
• Read more about Indigenous futures and the dystopian now.
• Kai Cheng also recommended reading up on what bell hooks has to say about love.

The podcast theme song is “Mesh Shirt” by Mom Jeans off their album “Chub Rub.” Listen to the whole album here or learn more about them here. Kai Chengs’s theme song was “Piece of Me” by Britney Spears.

Secret Feminist Agenda is recorded and produced by Hannah McGregor on the traditional and unceded territories of the Squamish, Musqueam, and Tsleil-Waututh First Nations.